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I know this, in Ontario a $500 Pc is trash, my $1700 Pc from 2016 cant even compare to the new consols. Im not building a PC with next generation consol hardware around here for anything less than $2200-$2500 retail/New. PC gaming sux nowadays, theres no physical games anymore they have been discontinued for a decade now and games are all Digital (Eww) And the fact that PC hardware costs 3X4 more than a consol of equivalent hardware. If i even want any RtX gpu i have to go through Staples or Walmart lol, my local PC store thats been around 20 years doesnt even want to deal with RTX 20 series cards because there crazy expensive, and the RtX 30 series cards are difficult to get. After 20 years being a PC gamer, i had to switch to a better platform for myself. That and PlayStation 5s controller is unbeatable...PC master nothing....IMO
"the crummy controller" Bitch, you got keyboard & mouse! The Hell you need controller for? For RTS?
Can those dirty console peasants mine with their consoles?
Time for reality check. As much as I adore PC gaming. This video is dumbest at best. Firstly the build does not really match. Completely different generation. Bring a PC person should know well enough mhz and tflops don't mean anything between 2 complete different architectures. Besides trying to match something from 2nd market just to get the price against something brand new. This is really misleading and toxic
least this PC works all the time.
Lol.. so much effort. if you bought that 6900k for 130...it would be from Russia.. go back and look at the listing he showed..
sees controller que vomiting
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In my mind, you don't need to beat a $500 console. You need to beat a $500 console and a $500 laptop, minimum. Most people have at least one PC in their house. If it's for gaming purpose, it's a $400-500 GPU and a $500-600 build on the rest of the components.
Price for price you can't get the same performance as the xbox series X. Simple!
The reason for this video: PC parts are way too overpriced.
Now imagine that in 5 years you'll have to get an entirely new console, while the pc will get an extra 500 bucks to upgrade, not counting the cheaper games. Yeah.
I feel so bad for my Xbox One X. I bought it 4 years ago, and it's just been collecting dust on my dresser ever since. PC gaming is top tier, so that's all I do. I'm not even sure why I bought the xbox in the first place.
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used products, hassle of dealing with stuff that don't work, inferior and less storage space, lack of controller, wifi and bluray, wired c class controller, still more expensive, worse performance than console and occupying way much space, vs brand new console with controller with warranty and performance for less. -> I guess the answer is obvious.
whats wrong with used? dont buy stuff that doesnt work, you can have more storage on pc than you can on console, shouldnt be using controller anyway, hard not to be more expensive when consoles are sold at a loss, and small form factor pcs exist, and when you take into account the massive TV that most console players use it isnt much more space
It's hard to beat console prices when companies sell them at a loss
paying $60 a year to play online has entered the chat
but now account for the fact that microsoft 100% gets bulk deals on their parts and linus did not therefore pc is better
Yes but, is the x box future proof?
Your'e forgetting that Consoles cost more to build than they are being sold for. The sell the consoles at a loss to bring in revenue from Games, especially exclusive games. You never stood a chance. You'd probably need $750 to be competitive.
Your budget should have been the cost of Xbox Series X for gaming + the cost of Chromebook for browsing and other stuff. Targeting just $500 misses the point that people probably have a cheap computer for doing the other stuff your gaming PC will do.
+ the games on console are more expensive.
I bought a ps4 in 2015 and I still use it to this day and now I'm saving up for a pc because I do want something new because playing for 6 years on a ps4 kinda makes me want to get something new
Did Win10 come for free? Thought you have to pay if you don't have a spare win7 key lying around?
Wow it's almost like consoles are an amazing price to performance thanks to standardization and mass production. Who knew that consoles are actually a great choice for a reliable and arguably great gaming experience? Oh wait I did and I game on both consoles and PC.
I recently switched to PC. Not because of performance, but just convenience. I like having one device that can do all my computing needs. Gaming, word processing, programming, etc. It's nice having a place to do all things. That being said the Xbox series x is pretty sweet and the price point is bang on. Bang for the buck if you are looking for just a gaming rig the Xbox is not a bad way to go given the price of current gen hardware.
You look homeless. Clean up bro
@XDVryrz 34 good try, but no! I am college educated, and own two businesses. Meanwhile, none if that changes that he looks like shit. #next
Are you sad you are not as successful as he is?
PC is king although, I still like my playstation
That's fine Pc and Console bros can still game, mobile is hell no.
"New pc for 500 that beats xbox" *proceeds to buy used parts* 😂 ill let it go though since older parts are impossible to find brand new from the retailer.
Not really fair to compare used PC part prices to brand new console prices, is it?
@XDVryrz 34 Even if that were true, which I don't think it is, that's not the only thing in the console's favor, as he mentioned in the video: much more storage and faster SSD, better controller, support for ray tracing, absence of a need to mix and match parts and troubleshoot everything, etc. Also, that's an INCREDIBLY vague comparison to make if you just call it even because of one thing you consider an advantage. I've bought used consoles for $10. In a few years you'll be able to get a Series X for $250 on craigslist. Think a $250 PC can match it? It's said the One X was about on par with a GTX-1060. There's no way in hell you can convince me the Series X is only as powerful as a 1070.
Really doesn't matter tbh, since it's dynamic vs true resolution sampling, it's on par, price and resolution basically in trade
I'm still really happy that the new consoles are as good as they are! Now we'll get better looking games again (at least for another few years before they're just old and bad)! Edit: I'd still prefer it if the Series X was closer to a let's say $ 700 PC! :p Edit: I declare this a PCMR victory (for why: see first line) - It's a win for everyone! :D
Throw in the game sharing on Playstation/Xbox that you can only get on PC thru Microsoft/Xbox games, that makes the $ your saving even more one sided. I've been spending half price on Cyberpunk, Valhalla, Cold War, Far Cry 6 pre order, etc lately as my friend is game sharing them off my account and will continue to do so. I also share my PS Plus, Game Pass ultimate. It's amazing if you do it with someone you trust.
Doesnt the system sell at a loss? Kinda cheating if you are trying to match prices
yeah dont worry about including the cost of the keyboard, mouse, op system,
Lol $60 a year for games and online
Gaming PC $3000-$4000 here in Australia and some can't even play series X Games 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 just buy a series X for $749
Hell nah who'd you review it from the Verge?
Consoles are ALWAYS meant to be sold at a loss lol. They take a hit to get them into your home, to then get a profit on the back end from games.
Don’t waste your time watching this video after 1:11 .
Where do you come up with these groady looking used GPUs anyway? I've bought numerous used cards and never got one that looked that bad.
You forgot the extra $200-300 (depending how many years you count) you could budget for not having to pay for Xbox Gold online access. Unlike the console.
Console is basically a cheap pc design only for game. It is what it is.
Why is the title talking about the "Master Race"... Sounds like the Brotherhood is becoming PC nerds
if ya don't get it ya don't get it!
Arent xboxes sold at a loss anyway?
Like graphics cards exist that aren't $37,893,763
Although it was true that PC was the master race., this is no longer the case. I tried PC, but I had problems with multiplayer. People were using under-spec PCs or unreliable internet, and they were getting kicked out of dungeons and trials. I would much prefer playing on console because people only get kicked out if they have unreliable internet, and it happens rarely.
This proves 2 things minimum,,,, Consoles are overrated and overpriced. PC will always be King simply due to upgradability. And with the newer SFF (small form factor) cubes coming with more power there's no reason to waste money on a shitty fucking console.
How about consideration for the cost of xbox live over time?
That’s true,thank goodness for Microsoft rewards lol
This just makes me proud to own an Xbox Series X. So much performance for the price, can't go wrong.
I always say: most people need a computer anyway, so you'll probably end up saving money if you just spend a bit more on the computer and ditch the console.
@Aesthetical mini itx pc. The ps5 is taller than my friends pc.
@Marcus3run let me tell you, I have not owned a console for years, and personally I never felt like I was missing out.
I'm not sure most people need a computer, maybe if your job demands it but plenty in manual labour get by with a phone, tablet or laptop at home. Besides, the best games every year are only on console, you don't wanna miss out.
@Aesthetical depends on the computer but yeah, that's true.
Im sorry but I can't carry my computer to my moms house every 2 weeks. Consoles are good option for ppl that have divorced parents
windows10: 🗿🗿🗿
Forgot to include windows license on the price list.
U don't need one, but if u really want one u can get one for $10
task manager!...omg talk about PTSD...take it away!!! please!!!
One other thing is the 4K Blu-ray drive..
its useless though?
Try this again when MFS 2020 comes to Xbox
Your budget could be like $1200 honestly with how much scalpers are selling these for 😂
“That leaves us at”.......janky
And the lack of buy/sell second hand games or collection them.
@Keepskatin oh, yeah then you can still do the tactic I told you. The only exceptions were games that used online multiplayer, because these need to be connected to Steam to work.
@Alt Acc I prefer games without online access authorization like they use to be.
@Keepskatin not nesacelery, in most cases you don't but in some you do. Why does this matter? Explain.
@Alt Acc ,but you still need steam to play that burned game
@Keepskatin you can buy a game on Steam and burn it to a disc. 🤷♂️
The thing is that those prices on cosoles can be that "low" with that hardware because Microsoft and Sony take a percent when they sell games on their systems. Let's say they get 10$ of each game on full retail price on release, and as people get more games the more they recover for hardware and still make profit. Not to talk about paid online, subcription services, DLC, etc. For PC on the other hand you got software way cheaper and still be able to do other stuff like Linus said. Dont get me wrong Valve and other game software distributors still get their share, lower, but it's still there. Still intend on keeping my 9 years old Gaming PC at least for one more year.
@Turtle Fan on pc the Xbox game pass is free for almost half a year if you are willing to do some hassle. Not only that! You could do something on pc that many call a glitch (but it really isn't) to claim all the Xbox game pass games forever (no piracy). So free Xbox game pass + being able to claim those games after the pass ended. And this is not even the best deal you could get on the pc. 👀
@Turtle Fan almost all games are free on the pc, not even counting pirating. I know but console gamers can't comprehend how cheap games are these day's on pc.
Nah games are dirt cheap on playstation store bro and Sony takes like $2 from there games and it's $60 bucks a year and comes with 24 games and with game pass if you're on xbox jesus that's one hell of a deal also playstation has the ps plus collection which is 30 games with more coming it's not that bad
it really makes me sad to see people still beating each other over the Console/PC thing. consoles are doing so great at delivering what they should deliver relative to their price tags. I have friends and family who cannot make sense of video settings in modern games. they absolutely have no idea what the hell Anti-Aliasing means and how a single toggle drastically impacts the performance of their games. so what's the point of them having a monster rig loaded with a 3080 when they can't even utilize it? IMO, the big difference is not in the machines themselves. but the difference lies in the people who are using them. in the end, it all boils down to one's knowledge about technical stuff. if you can safely overclock your HW and optimally set your games to give you every drop of FPS possible, then go for a PC. if not, then settle for a console and play without any hassles. just remember, a PC is not a gaming machine. it's far more than that. it's everything you ask it to be. but you must know how to talk to it. with the sheer amount of rendering power a 3080 gives you, you can earn back the money by freelancing with Illustrator or Blender. you can even learn Machine learning and Neural networks. hell, even mining Crypto. I mean whatever you want. put that power to some real use. and don't get mad over console prices being so cheaper than your single GPUs. remember consoles can't even run a calculator.
Consoles can run a calculator homie just go to the web browser and look up calculator and boom
Come on Linus,. to cheated using Aliexpress. You have to pay the retail price that most pc gamers pay. Also Aliexpress has repair items sold as new, that's why the prices are cheap. You cheated.☝🏾
@Alt Acc You didn't pay attention , he did say he bought from AliExpress, and twice they sent him wrong parts. 01:44 AliExpress
When did he say he bought it from there? And there are still some legitimate big Chinese legit factory's selling new unused pc parts on Aliexpress, it is just that almost anyone in China can open a aliexpress, making the platform less serious.
its not like its unfair though
if i had a 500 $ budget i would buy a xbox series s and 120 hz monitor and a extra 512 gb ssd drive for xbox series s
It’s the “$69 dollars...nice” for me lol
The thing is, the xbox that was running in the bottom left corner was an xbox one x not a series x so that's why he was getting 60 fps
So no, you can not build a new PC to compete with the xbox series x.
And u can't buy a Xbox sx for msrp atm
LOL the only way to match is to buy used! Wow.
Yes, there is a GPU crisis.
Console loses and will continue to do so, generation after generation while they continue to cling too inferior input methods. It is not a debate that KB&M IS KING! If there was native support across the board, there would be a chance. Although how long will the Xbox PSU last? The one in my ONE X died with very little use, current PSU in my gaming PC i purchased rather along time ago, think 8800GTX SLI era... Just a wee bit longer lifespan than the craptastic one fitted into xbox.
I'm confident I would own many keyboard mouse Cod players with my controller. I'm something like a Cod God🗿
What were you doing to your xbox one bro I've never seen that happen
Does this guy know how much a 1070 cost right now 😂😂😂
Seems like a 1-0 for Xbox! (No, i havent owned consoles since 2001, so.) Eventually everything is going to merge.
@Turtle Fan yeah, compared to the pc? It sucks the game prices. Why do you think we call out Steam sales so often? How would you feel if I told you I got *all* Xbox game pass games FOR FREE legitimately on pc without paying A CENT, including *all* EA play games for a LIFETIME whiteout paying either, and those many games only in this month. How would you feel? No piracy *
@Turtle Fan how is it worth it when your paying for something you shouldnt need to pay for?
@Alt Acc it's $60 for a year and comes with gamepass which is worth it by that because gamepass is like 300 games
It is only $80 bucks more, and on Xbox you need to pay $120 per year for online. So technically pc = still cheaper. 🤔
Boriiing,, set up PS4 pro for Dota 2 in linux and Benchmark
Try building the PC without used/second hand parts, it's just not going to be anywhere near possible. And the controller is just a joke. It would be more interesting to see how expensive it would be to actually match XSX performance (SSD vs SSD, CPU vs CPU, GPU vs GPU etc.) with brand new, off the shelf PC parts. PS. I'm just a gaming/tech enthusiast who sees value for all the platforms. Too old to care about any "master race" debate.. :)
You can't test the cpu and ssd's. What do you want to do? Use a cpu benchmarking tool for the Xbox?
you left out the price of a mouse and keyboard and windows OS to even get this going
@Turtle Fan I totally agree the xbox against this pc is a better gaming machine.If yhey could spend around 700-800 dollars then they could make a better gamibg machine and experience
@Polykarpos Christodoulou comes with a $60 controller which is considered one of the best controller's soooo
Don't have to activate Windows.the xbox doesn't come with keyboard and mouse
That's impressive as fuck, especially with Series X continuing the trend of consoles being sold at a loss.
U can't find one same as getting pc parts for msrp
they still earning most of the money on monetized online service? Used to be a main reason I never went with x box, can't imagine having to pay a membership fee just to get access to multiplayer.
To match the series x you would need all NEW comparable pc parts (amd equivalents) new ms xsx wireless controller and blu-ray drive. Not going to happen for anywhere near $500.
@Alt Acc no, $800 is not "near" $500. $800 is 1.6x more than $500. An you will not build a PC with new equivalent hardware, including new wireless controller and uhd blu-ray drive for anything less than $1000.
And that is near $500 bucks *
@Jack Burton yeah, so maybe $800 bucks. That makes the pc still a good deal. 🤷♂️
@Alt Acc you misunderstood me. Must be a language barrier. I said if you include a uhd blu-ray player (over $100) and a wireless series x controller ($50 to $60) it would make a PC equivalent well over $500.
@Jack Burton You said: "if you put in a blu-ray drive and a wireless controller it would not going to happen for anywhere near $500" and then you said "you wil get north of 1k".. I can't find one at msrp, I can't find one in my country for $500 bucks as well (they forgot to convert the currency so it is more like $640 in my country), and I can't find a Xbox that does not lock me out of playing online without paying $120 bucks. 🤷♂️
What a pain I'd rather buy the console
It's like selecting pokeballs isn't it. Then i'll take the PC (because that was what i was aiming for anyway).
🚨Was that an illegal transition?!You’re gonna have to come with me young man 👮♀️🚓
I have a feeling you guys haven't included any of the shipping in the prices. I'm sure you found that 1070 for $200 plus $100 shipping. Or you have a team of auction Hunters to help get you these kinds of prices.
No, in my country you can get a *brand new* 1070 for $200 bucks when it is on sale. Also, $100 bucks!? You could get Alixpress shit send for 1/10 the price..
The sad fact is that a LOT of people paid three times retail for the new consoles when the scalpers scooped them up. Realistically you could be showing the kind of machine you could get with that kind of money.
Where did you find an Xbox for 399-500. I get the simplicity of it. However, I am just not a console guy. after 3 or 4 years I can upgrade my PC a little bit to keep it up to date. 4 years from now a 500 dollar PC will def beat out the Xbox. If I remember right doesn't Microsoft do a new Xbox like every 6 years or so?
Stadia is the best
Good, but not better than local hardware gaming. You need very fast internet and there is noticeable input lag, not good for Cod.
The Console is sold at a loss you can't match it
How about a $500 second hand ebay challenge? See who can build the best PC using used/secondhand parts off ebay with a $500 budget.
so what happened to the 4k blu ray player?
@Natasha Glaze you really dont use disks at all on pc, its hard to buy a case that even has a slot for disk drive
@ArcaneVoid Well... blu-ray things..
what are u gonna use it for on pc?
as little as 69 dollars... ... nice
Consoles aren't designed to generate profit. Almost every console player I know spends money to play online, and they pay subscription fees to rent games monthly. I spend on average $5 per game I purchase. I don't pay to play with friends. That's several hundred dollars per year alone. Over 7 years (if I remember the last console lifespan correctly) that's easily a great gaming PC. That doesn't include the stupid advertising on consoles. God do I HATE the Xbox One S I bought my now 4 year old son two years ago. I constantly feel like crap is being shoved in my face. My pc just fires up and we play. My son even prefers pc gaming because he sees the difference (both in FPS and the other stuff mentioned here).
Edit: I'm saying the hardware isn't where the money is. The money is in the subscription fees.
I love my 1070. I'd love to have a 3080 (and would upgrade now if they were in stock) but for most games I'm not really missing much and can play the majority in 4k with high or ultra settings and decent frames. That said I'm sure in a year or two we will see some more demanding titles.
This build reminds me of scrapyard wars. Trying to get best performance. Trying to beat someone elses performance. Broken hardware. Sketchy deals. Weird setups to get incompatible hardware to work. This so feels like a scrapyard wars build
The GTX 10xx series still has a few years of life left in it. I only just recently swapped out a 1080ti for a 3090
9:57 Linus verbally abusing his employees once again...
It's weird that the term PC MasterRace got so popular considering it comes exclusively from Nazi ideology...
@Natasha GlazeMOTHER OF GOD
Did you know IBM technology was also used by the nazis to scan barcodes on concentrationcamp prisoners and that the internet was invented by the military industrial complex?. And that the (coming) 6G grid is going to merge YOUR world, the real world and the cyber world and it all ties in with end times Bible prophecy, the mark of the beast etc.?
What's with the hat? Is it really that cold in there?
Me, an Xbox gamer, when I see a PC that costs $100 more than the Series X loses to the Xbox Series X: **EVIL LAUGHTER ENSUES* MWAHAHAHA!!!*
And you can play with mouse and keyboard. 😁 5 year old GPU and CPU hold up against current brand new console. Seems about right.
@Turtle Fan it's hard to understand what you type. I am saying a 5 year old GPU for PC is about as good as brand new GPU in consoles. Both are old GPUs. And on top there is great mouse and keyboard support on PC, some types of games aren't really out on consoles because almost nobody has mouse and keyboard on console. How many console games really have great support for mouse and keyboard? I would very few if any. On PC I can just plug in a console controller and use that. PC is more versatile.
Xbox has there own official keyboard and mouse bro and and thing from 5 years ago blows the fuck out of any parts from 5 years ago what are you on homie
the thing people need to remember is that this kind of price for price comparison should NOT happen in the first few months of the consoles launch (pc power increases massively every 6 months) do this again in 2 years and itll be laughable to buy a console as usual.
@highJim You're jelly, and pc fanboying
A GTX1070 for $200, give me a break!
What makes me sad is that I can sell my 2070 Super I bought 2 years ago and buy TWO Xbox Series X's with it.
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CNN: "Declares this some kind of PC Master race victory." 15:18 - 15:20 Over the Xbox Series X despite admittedly going over budget. Linus falsified his lists and presented his hardware in a confusing manner hoping the average viewer would not be able to keep up. His very clear bias towards the PC community indicates that the Xbox X never really stood a chance. He owes Xbox an apology and is clearly a Microsoft shill.
Isn't the series X and PS 5 both like $1k?
NOW TEST IT IN 4K LINUS....
9:30 12:29
He did..
Yeahhh the GPU market has to get fixed before we can take on the Series X. My PC eats the series X but at the same time I have about 2500$ worth of hardware. now when considering frames per dollar I get smoked but its only fair to mention I build this thing when the 20 series super cards dropped so its been a while.
ew linus was driving automatic on forza
I always find myself chuckling at this guy's good natured humor XD
The Xbox Series X is an awesome console for the money Even buying pc components at junk shop prices trying your absolute best your not going to get close to the well built highly powerful xbox. Console's are the way to go
in a year or so you will, and consoles arent for everyone
Well considering you can't buy and Xbox series X or PS5 anywhere and I can go and buy or build a PC anytime I want, in my book PC wins right now.